Canadian Horse Slaughter Grinds to a Halt as Europe Slams Door on American Horsemeat, Mexico Expected to Follow

CONFUSION REINS AS CANADIAN SLAUGHTER PLANTS STOP SLAUGHTERING US HORSES

Chicago (EWA) – US horses are no longer being accepted by Canadian horse slaughter plants, according to multiple sources. The Shipshewana auction in Indiana confirmed reports that they have discontinued loose (slaughter) horse sales for an indefinite period of time.

A spokesperson for the Sugar Creek Ohio auction also confirmed that the kill buyers were no longer taking slaughter horses because “the plants are shut down”. This was further confirmed by a Richelieu slaughter house official. An unconfirmed report from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) indicated it was the result of a European Union (EU) directive.

Canadian customs officials, however, knew nothing of the action. To add to the confusion, at least one driver stated that he did deliver horses to an undisclosed plant Friday afternoon.

The move came so suddenly that many trucks were already on the way when they learned of it. According to Lambright the issue is that the EU has banned American horse meat from being shipped for consumption in Europe. EWA has yet to receive confirmation from the EU.

Following the closure of US based horse slaughter plants in 2007, the export of horses to slaughter in Canada and Mexico increased dramatically. In 2011 the US exported over 64,000 horses to Canada and 68,000 to Mexico.

Documents showing horse meat contaminated with phenylbutazone (a carcinogen) and clenbuterol (a steroid) surfaced recently, indicating that the CFIA and the EU were accelerating their residue testing programs. These reports were followed by claims from some kill buyers that blood was being drawn from as many as half their horses (an unprecedented percentage) before they were being accepted.

Since most of the meat from both the Canadian and Mexican plants is being consumed by the EU, it is reported but not confirmed that Mexico too will curtail imports of US horses.

In 2008, the EU announced that it would require third countries to come into compliance with their standards which require horses to be micro-chipped and all their medications tracked, but few observers expected any action would come before the expiration of a July, 2013 deadline.

The most likely explanation for the sudden move is that the expanded residue testing program has yielded worse than anticipated results.

134 comments for “Canadian Horse Slaughter Grinds to a Halt as Europe Slams Door on American Horsemeat, Mexico Expected to Follow

  1. Barbara Griffith
    October 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    If this is true all the over-breeders out there won’t have any where to dump their culls. And that means TB’s, Quarter horses and every breed that is raised in the US.
    They are all given Bute. yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    • admin
      October 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm

      You have hit the nail on the head.

      • Anotherhorseman
        October 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm

        Dear Editor,

        Great Sensationalism on your part, your headline indicates that horse slaughter in Canada has ended…far from true and I doubt that it ever will.

        What is going to happen for sure is this….the Cull Horses available to purchase by the highest bidder will be devalued (again) by the slaughter/salvage industry…. thus resulting in an even more depressed horse market.

        All this controversy makes me remember the Movie “Billy Jack” the only difference is that it will not only be ranchers that will be shooting unwanted horses and leaving them lay for the coyotes….everyone that needs to get divested of one/several will be doing it…just imagine….100,000 plus dead horses laying around the 50 States….every year.

        Congratulations EWA/HSUS/Animal Angels.(And Horseback Anti Slaughter Contributors)

        Best Regards
        Anotherhorseman

        • admin
          October 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm

          I’m certain Horseback Magazine and like minded horse owners will press for strong anti cruelty laws to strictly punish those who abandon their horses or otherwise dispose of them in an inhumane manner. It is over, Anotherhorseman. Your market is gone. It has dried up.

          The Editor

          • Anotherhorseman
            October 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm

            Dear Editor,

            The market you speak of was never mine…no breeder would intentionally produce a registered horse for slaughter purposes only.

            Could you please explain to me how you condone horses being put down with a bullet to the head….then in the next breath consider just going out and shooting one by it’s owner…as “Inhumane or Cruel”… your not being consistent at all…or are there several editors of your venue…all having a bit different perspectives..?

            Best Regards
            Anotherhorseman

          • admin
            October 13, 2012 at 8:07 pm

            We don’t consider use of a gun to put down a horse as cruel. Neither are we troubled by disposal of the carcass if it is done properly.

            What we meant by the loss of your market is simple. You now have nowhere to sell slaughter horses for the foreseeable future. That, of course, can change but the loss of Europe is a devastating loss to those who would return slaughter to these shores or those who ship to Mexico and Canada. In short, the controversy appears to have ended.

          • Jo-Claire Corcoran
            October 13, 2012 at 9:03 pm

            Well Gee Anotherhorseman, you hit the nail on the head… when breeders drop one hundred foals to try and get two of a particular color, and the majority of those dropped go to slaughter, unregistered, untrained, then yes, they are intentionally breeding for slaughter.

        • JU
          October 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm

          AS for your comment about how humane is putting a bullet in a horses head instead of slaughter……….I WOULD DO IT MYSELF FOR MY HORSES RATHER THAN SEND THEM TO SLAUGHTER! At least my horses trust me and will hold still while I put the barrel on their forehead and npulled the trigger. They wouldnt be shipped for 6-11 hours with no rest, food or water weakened by the trip to go down in an over crowded trailer to be trampled on by other horses, struggling to get to their feet. They woujldn’t suffer the pokes of cattle prods to tru and get them up off the floor of the trailer by uncaring jerks that drive all night with no rest and are a real hazzard on the road to others. They wouldnt have to be stuffed into inadequately sized pens with other horses who will kick and bite them. And finally they would not have to experience to horrific pain of being hit in the head NUMEROUS TIMES before finally (maybe) being rendered unconscience (and hopefullky NOT waking up as many do) and having their body hung by one leg and having their throat slit to bleed, and then having their feet sawed off.

          Gee which senario sounds more humane to you?????

    • C.J.
      October 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      Very few horses are given bute….get your head out of your ass!

      • DAT
        October 13, 2012 at 2:48 pm

        get your head out of your ass

      • Jo-Claire Corcoran
        October 13, 2012 at 9:05 pm

        most horses change owners an average of 5 times in their lifetime, you don’t know what previous or future owners may have or may give a horse. All it takes is one of the banned substances to have been given to the horse at any time in it’s life. It is a lifetime ban from slaughter for human consumption.

      • Joe
        October 14, 2012 at 4:11 am

        CJ

        Well put, even if a horse or cow was given studies show that it leaves the animal within a certain time period.The anti slaughter have always said that one shot of BUTE and that animal is condemended for life. There is no study from them that backs up that claim. More twist and spin.

        http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1103685263837-91/Drs+Day-King-Henneke-Evans+letter.pdf

        • admin
          October 14, 2012 at 5:40 am

          Joe, you have been warned about misstating facts and you have just done it again. Bute is in the system of a horse forever residing in the Kidneys.

          The Editor

        • admin
          October 14, 2012 at 9:02 am

          Again Joe, you are the wone doing the twisting and spinning.

        • October 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm

          Joe, that drivel is not from medical doctors. They are vets and a community college instructor. They do not have the proper skills or training to access drug residues on human health. They tried to dispute Marini, ETALs original paper and Marini’s study stood strong meaning there was no validity to their challenge and changed nothing from the original study.

          You are wrong. Extensive studies by medical doctors have determined there are no acceptable levels and have banned the drug in food animals. Banned is banned. Why are you having such a hard time comprehending this.

          • JU
            October 14, 2012 at 9:22 pm

            Vicki

            Excuse me but more research is done by VETERINARIANS on human health that by medical doctors. In fact most if not ALL research is done by VETERINARIANS. Vet’s are the only ones QUALIFIED to assess responses and reactions of drugs used on the ANIMALS previous to anything being used on humans. It is one of the subjects that are taught in Veterinary school especially if the person is going into food animal medicine. It is VETERINARIANS that inspect the meat we eat NOT human MD’s, and veterinarians are REQUIRED to know about Zoonotic diseases (diseases that can be transmitted from animals to humans)and REQUIRED to know the effects of drugs on not only animals but humans as well especially if they are a banned substance.
            On the whole veterinarians are far more trained AND qualified to do research. However only one study is NOT enough proof that something is or is not and further research needs to be done to determine the longevity of these drugs in the tissues of animals.

          • Denise
            October 15, 2012 at 9:40 am

            JU:

            Vets are NOT qualified to research the IMPACT of foodstuffs, to include livestock on humans because they are NOT licensed to do squat on the human physiology.

            Who does more research is dependent on what the research is…what a stoopid comment, extrapolation and down right useless position regarding this issue.

          • admin
            October 15, 2012 at 9:43 am

            The majority of such research is conducted by PhD. level scientists at the basic science level. Some, of course, do have the MD or DVM classification, however, most don’t.

          • Denise
            October 15, 2012 at 10:23 am

            Yes, but DVM/VMD’s don’t determine human medicine research or accepted prophylaxis; they may contribute…they don’t decide.

            p.s. the majority of research is funded by government.

            For example, Dr Tom Lenz can talk about the equines as a domesticated production species, but he can’t talk about their medical or nutritional impact (especially bute exposed equines) on humans. Dr Marini may not be able to discuss equines, but she sure can discuss the pharma and nutritional impact of consuming US horsemeat.

          • skip
            October 17, 2012 at 7:18 pm

            Denise-you forgot to mention Dr. Marini’s assanine assumption that all horses have a dose of bute due to the amount produced by JUST ONE manufacturer…can you imagine how much bute a horse really has in it,considering there’s more than one manufacturer? Just look at her actual figures for bute residue in horsemeat(documented,no less)-just can’t put my finger on that report right now-could you do me a favor and post it here for the readers of Horseback? Thanks in advance.

          • skip
            October 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm

            Denise-still waiting for that report…

          • Anotherhorseman
            October 15, 2012 at 11:08 am

            Dear Editor,

            Not that it matters to me in a significant financial way….I feel I need to be responsible and inform you and your Anti Slaughter/Salvage readers/EWA Members of this important information.

            It would appear that the controversy of U.S. Horses going to Slaughter/Salvage…is not over.

            As soon as I am aware of the scientific/political reasons for this I will forward to you and your readers.

            Best Regards
            Anotherhorseman

          • Denise
            October 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm

            Any knowledgeable and well informed antislaughter advocate always knew this wasn’t the complete and final end. Not a news flash, Anotherhorseman.

            I spend money to end my equines lives, all the while not contaminating the human food supply or disrespecting the US food production reputation. And that DOES cost me money and IS financial.

            BTW, what the HELL is “in a “significant” financial way”? Liar.

            Best wishes (that you have nothing to do with equines or food production)

          • Anotherhorseman
            October 16, 2012 at 7:03 pm

            Dear Denise,

            Are you suggesting that the Editor of this venue is “uninformed” ?…if you were to take a look at the Headline of this article I and many others perceive that it would suggest that he as well as his close association with EWA Executives indicates a “final” blow to the Slaughter/Salvage Industry.

            In fact the Editors very words to me were..”it is over…your market is gone…it has dried up” Your suggestion of his being uninformed sounds to me like you are suffering from denial and possibly a case or “Sour Grapes”….in fact I notice most of your Anti Slaughter Comrades are being somewhat less vocal than they were previously to my post.

            Lastly Dear Denise….”Significant” Websters Definition… “Noticeably or Measurably Large amount”

            I am not a “Liar” however I do have to wonder about your personal ethics in that regard as well as that of many of the Anti Slaughter Advocates…Passionate in their feelings yes indeed….capable of dictating property rights of others…I don’t think so.

            Best Regards
            Anotherhorseman

          • admin
            October 16, 2012 at 7:11 pm

            There was nothing untrue about our headline, particularly based on the information we were given from multiple respected sources. Further, it doesn’t alter the fact that Europe has demanded a passport system be instituted by the Americans. and if it doesn’t happen by July 31, the doors are closed.

          • Joe
            October 16, 2012 at 4:29 am

            All we gear out of the anti slaughtr group is that all horsemeat is unsafe to eat. That is only their opinion, there is no reports of that as a problem. Horsemeat stopped for a couple of days going to the EU. What did these silly people say, American horses full of BUTE and other drugs. Again this is only their OPINION, no documentation like always.

            How about the food we import from overseas. It concerns me and it should everyone. Again SEA FOOD hits the news,

            86% of all seafood consumed in America is IMPORTED BUT ONLY 2% is INSPECTED,
            NOT TO MENTION MIS LABELED. Yep, let’s pick on horsemeat when it has to be safe to eat when the meat is inspected closely by the CFIA and EU for human consumption. Just look at the big beef recall because of E-COLI. My point is that we in America inspect our food products to assure food safety.

            Read the complete article below.

            http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/10/boxer-something-fishy-and-unsafe-going-on-with-seafood/

          • Denise
            October 15, 2012 at 10:43 am

            p.s. JU…please cite accepted, peer reviewed and published research reports, summaries, etc that support your contention that vets are the primary researchers (and what research btw). What drugs do to animals (or pesticides or fertilizers and genetic alteration for that matter)is WAY different than what the animal ingested drugs (or manipulated produce, crops) do to human consumers post mortum or harvest with regard to plant foods.

          • JU
            October 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm

            Denise

            So are you an MD??

        • Jennifer
          October 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm

          Banned drugs are banned. There are no withdrawal studies to f bite in horses because the drug is banned com the human food supply…Duh…Banned is Banned no matter what…Look up the word banned and get an education. Condemned is being slaughtered not when given bite…lolololol..hehe…haha..UGH…geez get real…

      • JU
        October 14, 2012 at 10:42 am

        CJ what world do you live in??? Certainly NOT the horse world. Phenylbutazone is the most commonly used drug. It is given appropriately for redicing pain & imflamation, post operatively, to bring relief from fevers caused by viruses. It is given INAPPROPRIATELY for hiding all the above by those who are just interested in making their wallets fatter by a sale or winning a $4 ribbon.
        Do you mean to say that YOU have never and would never give your horse Bute if it was deemed necessary to relieve discomfort to your horse by your Vet? If this is the case YOU should NEVER be allowed to own any animal, as it would be apparent that you are not interested in THEIR welfare.

        • Jo-Claire Corcoran
          October 14, 2012 at 12:24 pm

          CJ lives in the auction world, she works at a slaughter auction

      • Horsewoman
        October 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm

        You’re utterly incorrect. You sound like someone who has never worked in the horse industry—or is a big fat liar. EVERY race horse receives bute, as does every jumper and many pets. We genuine horsepeople call it “horse aspirin” due to how common is its use. Maybe if you wiped the feces out of your own eyes and ears, you could comprehend facts.

      • October 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm

        I have given my horse bute for inflammation. Most people would. My horse is one of the lucky ones. She is a slaughter house rescue.

    • Sam
      October 13, 2012 at 3:11 pm

      What world do you live in that every horse is in pain, and is given bute? Are they suddenly being born in pain? Or, Are you saying bute is given to all horses regardless of a medical condition requiring it?
      Further more, if a person needs to rid of a horse through auction, do you really think they had enough funds to administer bute or any other prescription medication first?

      • Jo-Claire Corcoran
        October 13, 2012 at 9:05 pm

        Bute is not the only banned substance on the EU list.

      • JU
        October 14, 2012 at 10:52 am

        Sam, really! Very irrational statements. Have you never had a stallion castrated?? Have you never had a horse with an injury that would require pain management at some point in their life??? If not you are a very lucky person.

        The reality is that most horses ARE given bute at some point in their lives, and there hav been NO real research as to how long the residues of these drugs stay in the horses tissues. They are very dangerous for humans and are NOT use ion human medicine, or if they are they are a VASTLY different dose (MUCH LOWER).
        I myself have an older gelding that gets 1gm bute daily for his arthritis. SO if I suddenly die tomorrow and someone just decides to sell him off to the highest bidder….and that bidder is a kill buyer then VOLAIS you have a “tainted meat” horse in the pipeline to be fed to humans. THIS is how it happens, and or by the fact that people in financial distress do NOT think about these things nor do most KNOW about it.
        This is the reality………..so sorry that your market for your unwanted culls is dwindling down.

  2. HorseLover152
    October 12, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    No one gave a crap if they were shipping tainted meat to the EU or anywhere else as long as it was shipped. They all knew these horses were not clean and have known for some time. Real food producers have taken care of and carefully documented the animal’s life, like a producer of a real product who follows the rules because peoples lives are at stake. But these people, they just want to be paid as if they have done that. Well, their unethical and illegal business practices just came to a screeching halt because none of them were smart enough to see this coming even though the EU has set a July 2013 deadline and ramped up testing. How long did they think they could avoid accountability? Apparently, a little longer than was actually possible lol.

    I fear for the animals, we do need euthanasia clinics and we need gelding programs and we need to make breeding horses harder and more expensive.

    • Tawny O'Hara
      October 13, 2012 at 5:19 am

      Amen amen amen

    • JU
      October 14, 2012 at 10:53 am

      I agree 100% People should have top have a license and permit to breed.

  3. judy winslow
    October 12, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    An immediate ban on breeding needs to put into place. All of these mass breeders need to stopped now!

  4. October 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    I prayed very hard today and asked Saint Anthony to find a way, and for Saint Jude of the Impossible and the Holy Spirit to save these horses.

  5. LoveMyHorses
    October 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    The problem with making breeding more difficult and expensive is that you will ALWAYS have ignorant back yard breeders that don’t have the time to geld that ugly, unproven unregistered horrible conformation of a wanna be horse of unknown origin, breeding all the unregistered horses in the neighborhood, where, since they aren’t registered, won’t have documentation or regulation. It WON’T be anymore difficult for them to continue what they are doing. Yet, the people that have quality horses and only a few and reproduce quality and only a few… those are the ones that will have to endure the cost and difficulties. The wealthy people who mass produce racehorses will STILL be able to afford to do so.

    • Lynn
      October 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm

      Racehorses? What about the Paint industry, breeding for color and not getting it? Or Sporthorse industry? Pacers, Trotters, Reining Horses? It isn’t simply one faction causing this. Do be more realistic, if you’re going to point a finger.

    • Jo-Claire Corcoran
      October 13, 2012 at 9:06 pm

      The majority of horses going to slaughter are Quarter Horses…

      • equusprimus
        October 13, 2012 at 11:56 pm

        Yes, that is very true and all those QH breeders (and Paint) who run annual “Production Sales” need to be shut down. There is no need for mass production of horses in this country, especially not by cretins who have a history of discarding the OVER-production to slaughter!

        • skip
          October 17, 2012 at 6:53 pm

          equusprimus 10/13 post-”Cretins who have a history of discarding the over-production to slaughter”….wow!Obviously you’ve never been to a reputable breeders production sale;if you did,you’d have found stockmen who love animals,don’t mind working hard in all kinds of weather and don’t quit if they break even after a year of hard work…speaking of cretins…

    • JU
      October 14, 2012 at 10:54 am

      Yes there willo always be the backyard breeders…….BUT they are not the ones that produce THOUSANDS of foals every year (QH TB Arab are the #1,2,3 in this issue)

  6. Barbara Griffith
    October 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    What may have to happen is for horse owners to have a permit to breed their mare and only if there is a market for the foal if they plan on selling it. This is going to be a mess in the beginning but eventually things will work out. And the price of horses will go up because there won’t be so many of them flooding the market. It is the law of supply and demand. And hopefully it will put the backyard breeders out of a business they should never have been in in the first place along with a lot of the larger breeders. If this ban holds the foal crop will be severally cut back next year by the TB breeders because they won’t have anywhere to dispose of all of the young horses they have bred for so long only to toss them on the trash pile when they were done with them.

    • Susan
      October 13, 2012 at 12:36 am

      Barbara, that is what many of us have been saying for years, thank you.

      Allowing the meat price to be the foundation of our horse market hurt the value of everybody’s horses … including the non-slaughter majority.

      To say nothing of the insane amount of grief visited on the horse theft victims; most stolen horses were taken for slaughter. If this holds, expect horse thieving to go down.

      I think the TB breeders will be less quickly affected than AQHA (which did not register as many of their foals, and used slaughter to cull unfashionable colors.)

      The TB industry will need to finally make a serious move on after care, retraining and retirement, which segues to cleaning up the drugs and encouraging soundness (or it will cost a whole lot more money than it needs to.) The #s will not simply disappear at age 5-10 and so on.

      • equusprimus
        October 14, 2012 at 12:28 am

        All of the American breed associations (AQHA, APHA, etc.) need to IMMEDIATELY adopt breeding standards such as those used by the EU based warmblood registries. All of those EU warmblood registries (and their affiliate registries here in the US) only grant registration papers and licensing to breed stallions & mares based upon inspection of conformation and proof of working ability (ability to MOVE well, not to be a downhill peanut roller in the ring. That inspection is done after age FOUR. Not two or three years old, FOUR, when they have more fully finished maturing. And the papers are NOT given without passing this extremely thorough examination of the quality of the animal.

        These inspections are rigorous and involve having highly trained, top of the line, professional riders hired by the registry to evaluate each horse for the under-saddle portion of the inspection. The conformation & movement is judged by experts that travel the country annually on an inspection tour and owners/breeders bring horses hundreds of miles or more to be inspected. Those conformation/movement experts are vets and seasoned judges, world class competitors who know what is required in the proper conformation of a horse to get good strong, clean locomotion with a minimum of effort and without harming the horse’s body via over-stressing a weakness in the conformation with regular work. Some registries include a jumping test as well, free jumping to see the quality of the horse’s ability. All those important things are considered by experts in this process.

        A horse that does not measure up to HIGH quality standards in both his build and his ability to be an excellent riding horse is simply given NO papers, so breeding it will result in foals unable to be registered -> i.e. bargain basement value as compared to the papered horses. Some registries also have tiers of registration – from the lowest level which are accepted as part of the breed and can compete for breed awards but which cannot be bred to continue their genes as registered foals in that breed pool, to higher quality and then the very top pinnacle of highest quality.

        These inspections are for both mares and stallions. In fact, for stallions these registries have 100 day tests, to fully prove the stallion before they approve him as a worthy progenitor of the future of their breed. Those animals that pass inspection and earn their breeding papers are assuredly of the highest quality and form the basis of the breed going into the future.

        Unlike the yahoos at AQHA and the other stock horse groups especially (those breeds that comprise the largest number of animals that have been going to slaughter), the EU warmblood breeds are NOT run willy nilly by chance, letting bigshot wannabe “breeders” who know nothing but go only by fashions of color or crazy crippling conformational trends that guarantee a horse will be lame before they are 10 or who are lured by the unrealistic dream of winning a big show with their garbage stock. This EU warmblood approach is what is required to do serious quality breeding and no one should be breeding a horse if they are not willing to IMPROVE a breed.

        Given the higher stud fees for QUALITY stallions, the costs to obtain QUALITY mares, the costs to raise and train a young one up to age 4 and the costs of inspection, those animals which are approved for breeding are very valuable indeed. This is how it should be done. Period. It’s pretty damned obvious the US has not need of more “excess” cull horses from these low quality breed associations. Time to get serious about the future of your breed and PUT QUALITY into it in a proven method of breed improvement.

    • Blackhorse
      October 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      In all the emails and replies I have read, it is only money being talked about. How about, “lets stop over breeding for the sake of the animal”. I have owned horses all of my life and they have given to me endlessly. I am not sticking my head in the sand, but comeon people where is the justice for the horses involved.

      Perhaps another line of work should be considered. And, no I am not a member of PETA.

      • JU
        October 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm

        Blackhorse,
        Unfortunately money is often times the Only thing people will see reason with.
        My primary concern IS with the horrible treatment these poor horses get while in the pipeline to slaughter and the inefficient and inadequate means by which the horses are “euthanized” with. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE in my opinion. My second concern is public health ( the #2 thing people will listen to) and lastly the financial.

        I do agree that breeders MUST stop breeding the HUGE numbers of foals yearly, and something must be put in place to try and insure better quality in what is produced, and so that uneducated breeding is discouraged. HOWEVER when we are fighting the all mighty dollar peoples morals and concern for anything but themselves are no where to be found.

  7. Remona
    October 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    This is good news. How very sad that 132,000 horses were murdered last year.

    • paula
      October 13, 2012 at 4:59 am

      RIP sweet Harrigan, the one I did not find in time to save.

    • C.J.
      October 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm

      Really good news……well thouands of horses are going to suffer because of this………let’s just turn them all loose and see how mmany stupid animal huggers we take out when you hit them on the road!

  8. Cory Patton
    October 12, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    None of us in the TB industry breed so we can dispose of them. On average it costs a minimum of $ 15,000.00 to get a horse to the races. People act like we get pleasure out of horses that don’t make it on the track…

    • October 12, 2012 at 9:04 pm

      What do you do with horses you breed that don’t make it on the track?

      • paula
        October 13, 2012 at 5:00 am

        Take responsibility.

        • October 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm

          No, I was asking her what she does with the horses! Since she hasn’t replied, I think we know.

          • Blackhorse
            October 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm

            An overwhelming amount end up with kill buyers. I have been to many auctions,trying to save the ones I can, and the race horse numbers are very high. Such a shame, perhaps if the owners and I use that terms loosely, had to take the shot/hammer/whatever to kill one they would consider another profession. Oh wait, they would have to be compassionate, not a trait found in that industry. Sorry folks but my brother-in-law was a jockey, so inside information is very informative.

    • Susan
      October 12, 2012 at 11:49 pm

      What about the broodmares that never race, or start once or twice and go to the breeding farm?

      Just this July, 10 broodmares (age 7-20) owned by a prominent TX racing family were – thankfully – pulled from a Mexico-bound slaughter auction after being dropped off by the owners’ employees. Some had borne 2012 foals, some were bred for 2013. So sad.

      I think there’s a difference between not intending to breed to dispose of them, and intending to take responsibility for horses bred.

    • October 13, 2012 at 1:17 am

      Then you should have no problem. Just euthanize the horse for about $250. That, minus the $250 you would have gotten from the slaughter buyer is still only 3% of what you are paying to get them to racing.

      • C.J.
        October 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm

        JOhn…… so we are going to let 99% of the horses that have no drugs in them go to waste? Get in the real world!

        • October 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm

          CJ, you are hysterical. Thanks for the comedy relief. Evidently, you haven’t seen the reports from the EU or the recalls. Oh, that’s right. Sue doesn’t post those because it blows her lies right out of the water.

          Please keep posting. We all could use a good laugh right now.

    • October 13, 2012 at 6:26 am

      I think the TB industry is stepping up. Read recent news about breeders in Kentucky donating dollars to rehab. Racing is an industry that is here to stay. Rather than harp about breeding, lets think of all the backyard people who go out to buy a horse for their kid because they have an acre of ground. Then, because they are ignorant and untaught, the horse ends up an auction in 5 months. Public education is the key. We do free husbandry and care lessons at our sanctuary and most of the time people who have come because they wanted to buy a horse, don’t end up getting one. They see the work, once they are taught. Those people against slaughter also need to get on the teaching bandwagon. We do lifetime care of unadoptable horse…www.edenfarmequinesanctuary.com ….we struggle financially because we do not adopt out and have those adoption revenues, but we teach teach teach teach. And the elderly, once abused, horses who live here are our embassadors. I live in an area where every person who has a little bit of ground wants to park a horse in their backyard. These horses, owned by untrained novices, are at great risk for diposal.

      • Blackhorse
        October 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm

        Gayle, you are so right!

    • Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
      October 13, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      At least 1/2 of the thoroughbred foal crop gets sent to slaughter every year Mr. Patton. We had this conversation already. You just won’t believe it.

      Mr. Patton told me he is a trainer for claims races.

  9. Kara
    October 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Find homes for them… duh!

    • Amareofcolour
      October 13, 2012 at 6:32 am

      Oh good, problem solved! Why didn’t we think of that? Kara, thanks for stepping up… how many can you take? How many can your friends take? Because, you see, the rescues are all full, hay is up over $300/ton (far worse in many areas), pasture land is shrinking daily in this country, we’re headed into winter, and the new foal crop will hit the ground starting in 3 months or so. Please let us all know how to find an ADDITIONAL 132K qualified equine homes a year!

      • Joe
        October 13, 2012 at 1:49 pm

        Amarefcolour

        Well put, how many can Kara take. Here is another person who tell others to adopt when her own is full. You are so right,$300 per ton. Can’t get rid of all the wild/feral/estray horses. It is easy for people to say the answer in adoption. I found this article on closed slaughter plants article.

        Jo Deibel1 minute ago

        The auctioneers and kill buyers NEGLECT to mention that the TOTAL number of US horses sent to slaughter is LESS than 1% of the total US horse population – a number that could easily be absorbed by rescue, private owners, responsible breeding, humane euthanasia where indicated, etc.

        They (those saying the “market will crash”) are not being realistic and are trying to use scare tactics to justify irresponsible breeding and irresponsible horse ownership.

        What will happen (if this turns out to be a permanent situation) is that FINALLY those breeding and having foals hit the ground will be forced to be responsible for them.

        Slaughter should NOT be the option for horses that have found themselves, usually through no fault of their own, in the slaughter pipeline.

        Jo Deibel
        Angel Acres Horse Haven Rescue

        • Blackhorse
          October 13, 2012 at 5:08 pm

          Jo, I think I love you! Slaughter should not be an option, and I know there are way to many horses being bred, in farms, back yards and other places too. RESPONSIBILITY is the answer but usually that words does not go hand in hand with ignoranace. Educating people to the true, and not romantic aspect of horse ownership is key. Go to any animal shelter a few weeks after Easter and you will find them over-run with bunnies, the same is true for back yard breding. Culling is also done in the canine world, if they don’t get the right colors, guess what happens to little fido. I wish people would think with their heart centered minds and not just their wallets.

      • skip
        October 13, 2012 at 5:14 pm

        To Amareofcolour-Good point you raise…in response to your question regarding where to find homes for an additional 132k horses-that’s easy,send ‘em to EWA’s headquarters in Illinois or to John Holland’s in the East-they’ll handle it,no problem! While you’re at it,give ‘ol Wayne Pacelle a call-he’ll find a spot for the overflow.

        • October 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm

          We have a better idea. I know it’s a novel concept to you but how about the owners take care of them?

    • October 13, 2012 at 7:29 am

      We do, and with the number sent for slauughter, it is possible. Lots of people flap their mouths, but do nothing. If you can’t rehome one, donate funds or help to someone who does. This is not a million horses, its a couple of hundred thousand. Lobby vets to reduce fees, promote breeding awareness. If you list all the counties in the U.S. and each one handled one slaughter horse…..you have to start somewhere. There are many of us who can and do help this situation. don’t “duh” me – I have given up most of my income and 80 per cent of my times for years, I am 66, for this cause – and actively, every day of my life, do something for these unwanted horses.

      • October 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm

        Don’t you find it amazing that they expect everyone else to care for their horses? Where is owner responsibility. You own it, you breed it, you take care of it and provide a humane death when the time comes. If you don’t want the responsibility, then don’t own a horse.

  10. Horse eccentric
    October 12, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    If breeders….both mare owners, and stallion owners would be responsible for the colts produced for the life of the horse…it would slow things down and breeding would become more selective again. I worked for a trainer who said “every stallion would make a good gelding”.

  11. October 12, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Why must horses make it on the track? Why do people have to strive to have the fastest horse? Greed. Time to get into another industry like wind and solar energy. Clean air. Clean Water. Promote horseback riding like never before. Stop over breeding. Horses are so wonderful!

    Where would our industries, our country be were it not for their dependability and strength? These intelligent beings have upon countless times save the lives of their riders by refusing to leave them alone. They will lie down in order for their injured rider to hold on, while the horse slowly rises and carries them to safety. That’s loyalty! Authors have written about them for centuries and they have fought alongside our warriors throughout history. We have read of them in books and watched them on the silver screen. These animals are heroes and loved by the majority of all people.

  12. Jenn
    October 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    For those of you who are anti slaughter wake up. The USA tried this and nothing good has become of it. To those who think horses aren’t just another form of livestock, wake up. Not every horse is going to be a world beater and they will server a purpose as a meal to feed an empty belly, big deal. No different than the thousands of other animals that meet the same fate, hence he term ” livestock”.

    • alicia
      October 12, 2012 at 10:35 pm

      horses are not breed for livestock…WAKE UP YOU!

    • Susan
      October 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm

      What is it about the Bute and Clenbuterol you don’t understand?

      While it’s true the AQHA sent the most horses to slaughter, the incentives to breed racers are in the US tax code, VLT subsidies in state laws.

      The reason US horses were victimized by slaughter: we have a lot more land than EU, and breed more indiscriminately. Some US horsemen chose to bottom-value our horses by breeding crap, and too many.

      Farm Bureau et al tend to like the conservative idea of a free market, unimpeded by Government regulation and handouts. Ending slaughter fits that model beautifully.

      So, let’s suspend subsidies for breeding and let the market adjust naturally. Lower supply = higher prices (except in no-science land)

      If breeding fewer and better stock doesn’t happen pretty quick, the US horse industry can officially be declared insane.

    • Myra
      October 13, 2012 at 1:19 am

      Jenn…You are the one who needs a wake up call. Horses are NOT meat animals!!! Period!!!

      • horselover
        October 13, 2012 at 4:24 am

        Horses taste yummy! Don’t knock what you haven’t tried!

        • breadmaker
          October 13, 2012 at 8:15 am

          You make me want to vomit.

      • Sharon
        October 13, 2012 at 8:46 am

        Tell a starving person that an unwanted horse is not meat.

        • October 13, 2012 at 11:47 am

          To starving people it is sustenance – but our horses are not going to feed the starving children of Rwanda – they are going for Europeans (some of whom don’t even credit us for getting them thru WWII) who eat in restaurants.

        • October 13, 2012 at 2:30 pm

          Don’t we have enough beef, chicken and pork to feed that hungry person? Why would they need horse meat?

          • Joe
            October 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm

            Vicki

            We import over 25% of the beef we eat in America. Why are they illegaly slaughtering horses in Florida? There are people who would buy horsemeat if available. Get a life

          • admin
            October 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm

            A part of the Cuban culture enjoys eating horse meat, simple as that. It is 180 degrees opposite what the rest of American thinks about the practice.

          • Joe
            October 16, 2012 at 4:09 am

            Anotherhorseman

            The Dr.Marini should also be denied, just like the French GM Corn Study NOT SCIENTIFICALLY VALID because of
            INSUFFICENT SCIENTIFIC QUALITY.. Before your study is creditable you must have at least 3 outside studies done. Not 3 different people making a report..

            http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/10/french-gm-corn-study-not-scientifically-valid/

        • Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
          October 13, 2012 at 8:50 pm

          Horse meat is too expensive to feed to starving people. Horse meat is served at gourmet diners. It will never be available for starving people because it is so bloody expensive. And, oh, it is toxic as well laden with bute, clenbuterol and Lord knows how many other banned drugs.

          • Anotherhorseman
            October 15, 2012 at 3:57 pm

            Dear Dr. Ann Marini, Ph. D, MD.

            Have you ever considered speaking the truth in these matters of horse meat consumption..?

            For your information….many low income populations World Wide Consume Horse Meat..to the tune of approximately 4.6 Million Horses annually.

            The only horse meat that would be deemed to expensive would in fact be the product that derives from North American Origin Horses because basically they are fed a better diet and have great Genetics which provide for massive tissue development in relation to bone and over all body size. Having said that..not all of the horses available for Slaughter/Salvage are of top genetic origin..many are simply inferior and they do in fact go to lower income usage.

            Your comment “oh it is toxic as well as laden with Bute,clenbuterol” is totally false…firstly…it is not toxic in it’s natural form at all..secondly, not even close to 100% of Slaughter/Salvage Horses are carrying or have ever been exposed to these products you speak of.

            I and my peer group am very suprized that you have not been held accountable for your false and misleading statements on this respected venue as well as several other public venue’s.

            Your title indicates that you are to be trusted…somehow I and many others “World Wide” find you totally unbelievable.

            Best Regards
            Anotherhorseman

          • Joe
            October 16, 2012 at 2:49 pm

            Dr. Marini

            I have a question about your study where you mention that possibly 9 horses went to slaughter that had bute given to them several days or months prior. Since you know that those horses went to slaughter. I would think you must have the number that is on the USDA green tag along with a copy of the EID signed by the owner and a copy of the VS 17-140 form. With that paper trail there should haven been a report when the horse(s) were slaughtered, if there was BUTE or any other forbiden residue in the meat tissue or kidney or liver. This is how the CFIA can trace the owner and shipper of every horse. Assumptions are not actual proof.

            If you did not have a paper trail, just how were you able to make an accurate study report, or did you just assume those 9 horses had BUTE residue in them at the time of slaughter? Your report does not mention on the first 38 horses what the level count was either.

            Please post your actual tracking system that all of your 9 horses going to slaughter have.

    • October 13, 2012 at 6:20 am

      There are responsible ways to rehome horses. We teach horses, every day of their life, from birth, to trust us. We socialize them and teach them to not fear, to respond, to interact. The way we live with them makes slaughter an unaccpetable way to end their life. They are not raised like other slaughter animals, hence they should not be slaughtered. We INTERACT with them, they SERVE us. Human being should be more inventive. We are not talking about taking a rocket to mars, we are talking about finding a solution for less than 200,000 horses in this entire, huge, country. Divide that up, city by city, and its a small job via logistics.

      • Sharon
        October 13, 2012 at 8:53 am

        Many horses never learn to like us or to do what we intend for them to do. They do not take to training, or maybe never were trained at all. They are not dogs that God gave the wonderful disposition to love unconditionally. I have to believe God’s intention was to give us a wonderful beast of burden that we could also enjoy intensely. Or, have for dinner, otherwise. Do you really think God would want us to waste the resource he gave us because some of us got too emotional?

        • christine
          October 13, 2012 at 11:15 am

          Hey Sharon, I’d love for u to go to Mexico to witness a horse slaughter being done in front if your very tiny close minded eyes, with a petula knife. Id like u to see an animal suffer in agony as it slowly bleeds out and is fighting for its life while blood gets kicked in its nose so it can hurry up and just die already. Humans like u fucking disgust me. When u go and see it done in front of you, then u can have a right to talk about like u do. Other than that u should shut the fuck up. Or let me send u a little linky poooo to ur dinner ideas

        • October 13, 2012 at 11:52 am

          I think we cannot speak for God – he can really handle things himself. That is your interpretation of what you think God wants – and there are always people who will look at any damagiong or negative situation and read God’s will into it. If horses do not learn what people intend them to do it is because the people are incompetent trainers and do not understand the way a horse thinks. They is a very very very rare per cent of horses that are difficult in spite of anything. Its miniscule – and its not 172,000. I feel sorry for God when people use His name to cover disagreeable acts. The barbaric shipping and slaughter of horses is no fit end for a beast who helped us win wars, settle our great country, and today serves and trusts us. We do not need horses as a food source…..and, speaking for God, which i said I wouldn’t, He doesn’t want us to create a dark industry around something we don’t need in the first place. Talk to me when we are all starving and have nothing else to eat, then I will try to see your point of view.

        • Blackhorse
          October 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm

          Sharon,
          You cannot be serious. Horses don’t take to training? Don’t love unconditionally? I think you are posting just to get a reaction. No, horses that have been beaten during training are not likly to “take” to training. However, when given the chance even those of them that had the worst trainers and been treated badly will come around. Some people look at their horses as family, I am one of them. I would no more eat one of my children than I would a horse. Culture matters. We do not eat horses here in the USA, until some slug decides to make a buck. I so hope you do not have children, they would be raised without compassion. Those beasts of burden would know you a mile away.

    • HorseLover152
      October 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm

      You are so misinformed Jenn. They are not food animals and they are not feeding hungry people. The meat is not good and hasn’t been for quite some time. The people hauling/selling at the plants are lying about the horses they sell. They falsify the documents so they will take their load of animals! They are not clean animals for food.

      This isnt the “old days” anymore and bessy goes off to the dog food factory. This is human consumption.

      we have to take a stand that horses are companion and sports animals and not food animals. If someone wants to raise a herd of food horses, I dont like that and i would never ever eat it but thats their choice and right, they can do that.

      That’s not what the horse slaughter industry has been about for the past 20 years.

    • JU
      October 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm

      Jenn you need to wake up! The bellies they are feeding are NOT empty! They are Fat aristocratic, snobs that think they need something different to eat. Watch the videos on You Tube of cattle slaughter, then compare to videos of horse slaughter. VERY different and NOT at all humane. Oh and son’t forget the health issue……………….horses are NOT regulated in this country for food as other livestock and many drugs are given to then that cannot be permitted in the human food chain as they are very dangerous. There is no current consistant testing for these drugs before the horses are killed and butchered, and we have NO system in place as Eurpoe does to track when, and what the horses have been given. HUGE safety issue! Bute and Clenbuterol (which btw is a bronchodialator / smooth muscle relaxer NOT at steroid) are only two of the drugs used in horses that are banned from being in human foods. apparently you are willing to risk human health to fill your wallet.

  13. Dana Meier
    October 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    This is not just the fault of the backyard breeders, this is the fault of ALL irresponsible breeders and horse owners who are in this business for only the bottom line of profit… at the sake of the horse. If you truly, truly love horses, why would you breed or sell one to end up on a meat hook? There is absolutely no logical reason for it. I know plenty of people who claim to love the horse, but always have an excuse as to why slaughter is necessary. Again, if you love the horse, then care for it! If you are in the business of making money with your horses, then do so responsibly and with the individual animals best interests at heart instead of your wallet. I know a great man who rescues at risk horses and then makes his living teaching others how to care for this animal for life. Pretty rare individual and we could all learn from him. Time for people to buckle up, stop pretending your horse just “goes down the road” when you no longer want him. Time for the AQHA and APHA to try and start breeding horses that can be sound healthy individuals, instead of horribly obese crippled “halter horses”. Time for the race horse industry to care more about the horse then just loading it on the slaughter truck because he was too slow that week. Time for the backyard breeders to just plain stop unless they want that foal for themselves for the next 30 years. Wow, time for real responsibility!

    • Blackhorse
      October 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

      Dana, words well spoken and I hope will be taken to heart.

  14. Cindy
    October 13, 2012 at 6:00 am

    “An Empty Belly”? I don’t think so. It is my understanding that horsemeat is served up in fine resturants overseas and is expensive.
    I am 100% against horse slaughter but if it has to be done, why not feed the
    STARVING people of the world instead of the rich snobs.
    Some years ago I watched an episode of the Crocidle Hunter. Steve Irwin was in
    a helicopter in Australia where they were shooting wild horses. They were just leaving them lay. What a waste.

    • C.J.
      October 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm


      why not feed the
      STARVING people of the world instead of the rich snobs.” Now were getting somewhere

      • October 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm

        Because the hungry people of the world cannot afford meat that costs $15-$40 per pound. Why not feed them beef, chicken or pork? Why horse meat?

        • Joe
          October 13, 2012 at 4:21 pm

          Vicki

          Why doen’t you compare KOBY beef and it will be a lot more than $15-$40 per pound. If you compare like cuts of meat beef is double horsemeat and Bison is 3 times the price of horsemeat. You always spin everything you post.

          • Ldg
            October 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm

            the hungry people of the world are not served perishables. They are given staples, like rice, corn, wheat, beans, powdered milk and other foods that can be stored in a warehouse for months and put on a truck in all kinds of weather conditions.

            What is it with you people? Don’t you understand the difference between perishables and non-perishables? Call up some NGO and ask them if they even have any way to get perishables to the people of say, Sudan. I bet they will laugh in your face.

            And don’t talk about the hungry people here in the USA. Most will not thank you for serving them horse meat, not now and not when they grow up to be adults and remember what was given to them by “caring” strangers.

          • October 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm

            Joe, but nobody is suggesting feeding the hungry Koby beef or Bison so your comment makes no sense. Oh, I forgot, you like to spin things around and not address the comments. Right on queue, as always.

          • Jo-Claire Corcoran
            October 13, 2012 at 9:14 pm

            Ummm Joe, it’s KOBE beef, not KOBY beef. I don’t think poor, hungry people wish to be poisoned with adulterated meat.

        • Anotherhorseman
          October 13, 2012 at 4:51 pm

          Dear Mrs. Tobin,

          I have come to expect more honesty from you than not…..come now..tell us the true average retail value of the bulk of horsemeat Sales in Foreign countries. I am positive you know the truth and the readers deserve more than hype and B.S.

          Best Regards
          Anotherhorseman

          • October 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm

            We have many members in the EU so I think they know the selling pricing of horse meat. Instead of getting off-topic on these side bars, why not address what is going on? The price of horse meat is irrelevant. Perhaps the additional cost is due to the added value of phenylbutazone and clenbuterol….

          • Joe
            October 16, 2012 at 3:44 am

            Do you really think Vicki will ever give a straight answer? She is the one who brought up how expensive horse meat is and now as usual spins and twists by saying you are off track from the subject, Vicki, twist and spin and when you get cornered you never answer. Twist and shout VICKI,,

            vicki on October 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm

            Because the hungry people of the world cannot afford meat that costs $15-$40 per pound. Why not feed them beef, chicken or pork? Why horse meat?

  15. Hatchery1
    October 13, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Wonderful news! I pray that this is a permanent ban on shipping our horses to Canada and Mexico for slaughter, and that forever homes are found for all our horses.

  16. trailhorse
    October 13, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Getting rid of an unwanted horse or having that attitude just goes along with the way society is becoming as a whole. The attitude is “well I can’t use it so let me get rid of it” has been what has made horses available for slaughter in the first place. I have owned and sold several horses, but I also sell them with a no auction or slaughter clause in a contract that also states they will be liable for any costs associated with retreval of the horse is it ever gets placed in that predicament. I know I may not be able to know about it if it did happen but the point is to let that person know I am serious and want a good fit for the horse. I think that you should be required to have a permit to own a horse. Why the heck not when you have to have a permit to own so many other animals why not horses? I am sure some people won’t like this but those will most likely be the people who should not own animals, let alone horses! If you can’t committ to the lifetime of the animal don’t buy it, take it in, or whatever!

    • Sharon
      October 13, 2012 at 8:55 am

      How about “I can’t use it, so I’d like to be sure that it fills a void, like hunger, in our world, instead of standing around using resources for years and years.”

      • October 13, 2012 at 12:01 pm

        I agree with you and you make an excellent, intelligent point – the way we dispose of horses speaks for our society as a whole.

        • Blackhorse
          October 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm

          Unfortunately…………..God bless the beasts and the children.

      • Jo-Claire Corcoran
        October 13, 2012 at 9:15 pm

        How about, poor people do not wish to be poisoned with adulterated meat.

    • christine
      October 13, 2012 at 11:01 am

      I think that people who are pro slaughter are fat n lazy n don’t really have real capable thinking methods for actually finding a solution other than slaughter. Can u fucking imagine working in a slaughter plant? I highly doubt the employees who work there would tell you they love they’re job. I mean shit, I’ve had to do some pretty gnarly cleanup jobs at my work, but to be surounded by death, blood , guts, the smell, the screams…. It’s not fucking normal u morons! Were se not supposed to surround our selves with that kind of stuff as humans. His intended for animals to help us, guide us in war, and yes when we need it, kill if we are hungry. But he didn’t not intend for it to become this industry if disgust. N some fat pig is gonna call me a hippie n say that the times have changed, to get over it. No! God dis not intend to make profit of a thigh piece of meat, the shank, the ribs, all which are a measly start price of around 18 bucks a pound. Horses are different from livestock in one way….ready get this ready for this it may be a shocker to some of you…… They are fuckin pets! They are companions! Theyve taken us to war! They are un the bible stated as noble creatures! They are in the Olympics! Have u ever heard of the chicken Olympics, the cow Olympics? No! It’s becuase horses are different and do not deserve to be slaughtered. My horse comes to me when I whistle. Can ur chicken do that? My horse can bow? My horse is learning dressage, and sometimes I think he’s smarter than mule when it comes to that. There needs to be stricter laws when owning horses so it doesn’t have to come to slaughter. N don’t get me started on the Mexican horse slaughter industry; stabbed in the back with a petula knife paralyzing the horse, throat slit, then gutted while its alive?. Makes me wish I was ima thurman in kill bill. No joke man, no joke. Seek revenge. Do you know that Kentucky Derby winners have him to slaughter. Are u all slow or just fucking stupid. Like I say and I’m vegetation, if u can’t kill it, don’t eat it. Stricter breeding laws, stricter ownership laws on horses, and more affordable HUMANE euthanasia could help a lot

      • Bill
        October 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm

        What we need is more socialist gov controls…….Are you an idiot? YES YOU DOCUMENTED IT! GO vote for your jig muslim president and see how you like socialism!

        • Blackhorse
          October 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm

          Bill I think you need to relax. She is not talking about Socialism. Having said that, I think the horse community as a whole should come up with some answers and not involve the government.

          But then again I think people should have to pass many tests and get a licnese before having children. But that is just me.

        • Jo-Claire Corcoran
          October 13, 2012 at 9:15 pm

          WOW a xenophobe and racist all in one.

    • Ron
      October 13, 2012 at 11:08 am

      As an “accidental” horse owner, I can say for certain, if I had to get permits or comply with some kind of regulations to own horses, I would not. As it is, I currently have two rescues, one of which was within hours of being euthanised before he was brought to me. I also took in a beautiful but crippled mare who was on her way to auction, although she eventually had to be put to sleep. I am also providing a home for 5 other horses that otherwise could be at risk.
      Just saying this because here in California we have a law for just about everything, and everything the government gets involved with sucks. So far, no one’s bothered me about my horses, which BTW, are well fed and loved. But if some of the “do-gooders” get their way, they’ll be gone – and I’ll be way time and money ahead.

  17. Sharon
    October 13, 2012 at 9:05 am

    It would be wonderful if every breeder would ask themselves, “will this colt have a good future?” before a mare and stallion do what they do. Even if that happened, even under the best circumstances, not every colt will grow into a horse that is useful. There needs to be an alternative that is good for mankind. Having a horse eat his way through mountains of hay, grain, grass, money for years is not the best solution. Sorry to be such a realist, but our world is lacking in realism in so many ways these days. Someone has to say it.

    • October 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm

      You said it but its not offenseive because its not really a point. We waste so much in this country. Families with SUVs suitable for driving in Kenya, not necessary for back and forth to school, etc. Multiple TV’s in most homes, endles amts. of money spent in the clothing industry. The products horses consume are part of an industry that benefits many farmers and growers. Getting realism back in to the world is impossible and it surely doesn’t start with the disgusting practice of killing our horses and shipping them to countrys that maybe don’t even like us anyway.

    • Blackhorse
      October 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm

      Sharon, I thought only horses wore blinders! And, I think great attention should be given to Gayle’s response. She is spot on. The only difference is we “horse lovers” choose to spend our money on “mountains on hay, grain, grass, vets, dental and ferrier bills. That is realistic, to me.

      We, through the vast realm of advertising, are funneled into thinking we should live, and do, live in a disposal society. We can and do throw away anything. However, that should never be the case with animals.

    • Jo-Claire Corcoran
      October 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm

      Not every person is interested in having a top show horse or winner, most horse owners want a calm reliable horse they can ride a few times a week on the trails, etc. The lower end horses make great family horses and to them, that horse provides much satisfaction, emotional de-stressing, etc.

      Nor can everyone afford a top show horse or winner.

  18. Barb
    October 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

    About time!! Let the big US super-power be responsible for their own horses!!

  19. October 13, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Part of the service we do for horses @ the sanctuary is calling all Craigslist and local ads who have free or low cost horses and telling them about the kill situation and finding how why they are divesting themselves of their animal. Over 30% never even knew slaughter still existed. Kill buyers troll CL frequently to get horses and I wonder if some of these horses they so aggressively seek might have other homes if given some time. The kill market bottoms out prices because many people end up giving horses away to avoid auction (or so they think). Kill buyers depend on obtaining horses for kill – that is their source of income – so they are aggressive and seeking in obtaining these animals. Kill buyers do not end up with animals only because no one else wants them.
    Many of my friends who rescue and have facilities to help horses still have room but are bottomed out financially. We have 9 lifetime care horses here and the property would support several more, but our pocketbooks won’t. Again, public education is very important. My late father told me that when one is working for a cause it should be that person’s goal each day to inform someone of the need and the cause. I do this daily, as much as I can, in casual contacts or any way I can. It amazes me that the general public does not know the plight of these animals.

  20. Blackhorse
    October 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    I note this tread does not mention the plight of wild mustangs captured by the BLM that end up in holding pens for years. I have seen them hunted from helicopters, foals run over by terrified mares running to escape. Herd stallions taken leaving the rest to fend for themsleves. Cattle grazing on public land (ranchers complaining) vs Wild horses which belonged to the land. We live in a mean world run by disingenous people. It is supposed to be against the law to slaughter a wild horse, and yet recently a “buyer” purchased over 300 of them, in a few months time. I’m pretty sure he was not re-homing them and they ended up in Mexico, as that is exactly where his stock trailers were found.

    Oh and then there are the Premarin mares. Too much to get sick about here.

    • Denise
      October 15, 2012 at 10:13 am

      People of the Lie, Blackhorse…People of the Lie. They never stop.

  21. Joe
    October 15, 2012 at 10:22 am

    What a bunch of lies when people say our American Horses are full of BUTE and other drugs. As of today 2 days after the ban because of paperwork not drugs the EU is accepting our American horse meat. Nice try EWA, Animals’ Angels and Horseback.

  22. Joe
    October 17, 2012 at 4:26 am

    There is a passport system in place. it is called the EID.

    Could you explain as to why the 90 days are now being used before
    slaughter and even talk of American horses have to be in the country
    they went. That would mean Canada and Mexico. That right their shows
    that once the horse is for example, after a horse has been in Canada
    for 90 days it can be slaughtered.

    That brings up the point that even if forbibben drugs were given to
    one of these horses, that would include BUTE. Now that horse or horses
    can be slaughtered. That shows that a chip at birth is not required, that
    the EID is working along with the strict drug residue testing at the plant
    by both the EU and CFIA.

    This seems to blow the Dr. Marini findings to be completely in accurate.

    Dr. Marini along with many of her supporters say, ONCE A HORSE IS GIVEN BUTE
    IT NEVER LEAVES THE BODY. That all along has been proven to be inaccurate.
    The first thing that shows her sayings is not true or accurate, is there
    would more horses condemned at the plant. Marini and others say 100% of our
    AMERICAN horses have had BUTE given to them and because of that the horse
    can not be slaughtered because the BUTE residue NEVER leaves the horse.

    This brings up a simple fact, figures do not lie and liars can not figure..

    The number of horses slaughtered every day in Canada is over 70% of the daily number being slaughtered. The numbers do not add up, there should be
    70% of the daily horses condemended every day. This again proves that the
    Marini study is not accurate or close to accurate.

    There are so many things that show drugs do not stay in a horse for it’s entite life. EXPLAIN the new 45 and 90 day talk by the EU. Thank you for the space.

    • admin
      October 17, 2012 at 6:46 am

      Nonsense

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